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Monday, 30 March 2009

Dhimmitude in the Church of England

At the weekend it was announced that Bishop of Rochester Michael Nazir-Ali, scourge of Dhimmis and church liberals alike, is resigning his post.

Damian Thompson in The Telegraph hails this move as a 'victory for Islamism'; I fear he is right.
That's not to say I think this is part of some conspiracy on behalf of Muslims - I smell a deeper and more troubling conspiracy on the part of church leaders.

Bishop Nazir-Ali is perhaps the only senior figure in the Church of England who actually understands Islam for what it is, and the threat it can pose to Britain's ancient liberties. Everyone else seems to be under the impression that Muslims believe in the same God, they just go to a mosque on Friday instead of a church on Sunday.

As a Christian who was unfortunate enough to grow up in Pakistan, Bishop Nazir-Ali knows that is simply untrue. He also knows the ravages which Sharia law leaves, no matter how rich or strong the culture and values it is imposed over - in short, he knows that Sharia is simply incompatible not only with British law but British life.

Is it a coincidence then that on the very day Bishop Nazir-Ali announced his resignation, his erstwhile boss, the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, leader of the Church of England, made a statement praising Muslims for "bringing religion and ethics back into public life."

He continued:
"I think Islam has made a very significant contribution to getting a debate about religion into public life. And I think it's very right that we should have these debates and discussions between Muslims and Christians and others in public."

Williams called for bolstering Muslim-Christian cooperation to serve the well being of the whole community.

"The idea that what's good for me and what's good for you belongs together," he said.

"Both Muslims and Christians have a very strong sense of God's will being done in community, when we really follow the needs of the community and work for one another on that in the will of God."

"We've got to deal with it and complicated questions, but we have to make good neighbors."

The Anglican leader, however, admitted that the Christian Muslim Forum, which he initiated in 2001 for bringing UK Muslims and Christians together, had not reached the grassroots so far.

"The conversation of the elite and intellectuals isn't in itself going to change anything," he pointed out.

"We've got to deal with it and complicated questions, but we have to make good neighbors."

Yes, I'm very grateful for the debate that Muslims have brought into public life. Tell me, would that be the 'respect Islam or you're dead' debate or 'the UK will submit to Islam' debate?

Perhaps the 'despite living off the generosity of the British taxpayer, I hate Britain and all it stands for and wish to see its citizens/soldiers dead and its ancient laws/customs/liberties destroyed' debate?

Because if you'll excuse me, Archbishop, I generally see only one significant group making 'bad neighbours'. Incidentally, it's the very same group that has a choice - plenty of countries have instituted Sharia law, if they really find being here that difficult.

How do you feel about the fact that when your churches and congregations are stoned, your vicars beaten, the police just aren't as interested as they would be if it were happening to a mosque and an imam?

Good relations are fostered by treating people fairly and equally. Islam wants more than that, however - it wants to be supreme.

Men like Rowan Williams seemingly want to let it.

Here is a so-called 'moderate' Islamic preacher, an Egyptian called Amr Khalid, letting Egyptian television know what he really thinks.

He is spreading the idea that all of the controversies surrounding Islam in Europe, from the Mohammed cartoons controversy to Fitna, are part of an orchestrated plan to make Muslims so angry and violent we have an excuse to expell them.

At least he credits us with being able to see the danger Europe's 30 million Muslims potentially pose. Here's the video:

So in other words, he puts the whole of Europe into the role of Yugoslavia during the break-up, and every Muslim into the role of a Bosnian.

If these sorts of lies begin to take hold in the Islamic world, what's next? We all know what happened in Bosnia - thousands of foreign fighters, Muslims all, answered the call to help their 'brothers'.

If this video is taken literally, it means that any European citizen is a legitimate target for violent retribution for a supposed conspiracy.

Is the contribution which Islam is making to Western society really such that we can afford to overlook these dangers?

Williams might think so, but then he's always had his head rather firmly in the clouds - he is a lifelong member of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, and was during the height of the Soviet threat.

Isn't appeasing and recasting Islam as a religion of peace and love simply another manifestation of that delusional idealism?

For all our sakes I hope the answer isn't yes - but I fear it is.


Dr.D said...

I was very much saddened by Bishop Michael's announcement until I read somewhere one possible bright spin on it.

There is some talk of building a new province in England, an Anglican Church in England but outside the CoE. The suggestion was made that maybe Bishop Michael was preparing to lead such a new province. That could be a very good thing, I think. By stepping out of the CoE now, he reduces the friction at such time as he might take up such a post a year or two from now. We can hope and pray!

BNP Basher said...
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The Venerable 1st Earl of Cromer said...

Dr. D:

Thanks for the heads up, I'll look into it in more detail.

The Venerable 1st Earl of Cromer said...

BNP Basher:

Until such time as you see fit to respond to myself and the other contributors who have addressed you, I'll be treating your comments as what they are - spam.

If you think appeasement and peace are the same thing, then you're the one who has been on the cuckoo farm.

BNP Basher said...

A fascist who blocks opposing views?

Well I never.

The Venerable 1st Earl of Cromer said...

BNP Basher:

Ah, we're back to name calling are we?

I've attempted to engage with you at least three times; you're only interested in cheap insults. Your post was deleted because it said nothing productive, end of.

I warned you your posts would be deleted if you continued to be precocious, and the note above asks commenters to be civil.

Or are rules fascist, man?

For your information I've found Left-wing blogs are far more hostile to opposing views - which maybe puts your pathetic attempts at wit into some context.

Now, as flattered as I am that you can't stay away, why don't you do yourself a favour and find a blog you agree with?

I am satisfied anyone who has noted your previous comments and my replies will know who the 'fascist' who can't cope with opposing views is.

WAKE UP said...

If the Islamists and the Christian fundamentalists ever get together and double-team us (and the idiot Williams seems to be leading the charge towards exactly that), then God help us (yes, I know...)