tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post4796090148030082895..comments2024-03-14T10:08:55.488+00:00Comments on The Lambeth Walk: Two Different Approaches to ImmigrationThe 1st Earl of Cromerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14165851377583132629noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post-25688531145971250942009-05-26T12:12:48.678+01:002009-05-26T12:12:48.678+01:00If you have any doubts about what the Muslims have...If you have any doubts about what the Muslims have done to Italy, read Oriana Fallaci's books "The Rage and the Pride" and "The Force of Reason".WAKE UPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136292620916207019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post-75811838241964587782009-05-24T00:58:46.759+01:002009-05-24T00:58:46.759+01:00DHH, the fact that we can find individual muzlims ...DHH, the fact that we can find individual muzlims that are not intent on world domination does not discredit the fact that taken as a whole, the izlamic movement is moving in that direction. All we have to do is look at events on the ground to confirm this, events taken as a whole.<br /><br />You attribute all the problems that the West has experience with muzlims as being with extremist and radicals, but that will not wash. Everywhere that a significant number of muzlims has settled, just ordinary folks, not extremists or radicals as far as anyone knows, the problems have been the same. This is true in Europe and it is true in America. No the problems are not with extremists and radicals, the problems are with izlam!! And we are definitely seeing it here in America too, so please do not tell me I don't know what I am talking about.<br /><br />I will repeat a point I have made previously. Culture matters. The culture of izlam says that muzlims are entitled to trick and steal from non-muzlims and to murder them. We see them do this when they come to live among us, and they cite this as their justification. Their religious leaders incite violence against us while living among us. They obviously think we are entirely stupid; we use the word tolerant. But culture makes the difference. It is not just poverty, illiteracy, or religion. It is culture.<br /><br />You indicate that you will presume to judge me by how I respond. It matters not what you think. I will continue to believe the evidence that I can see for myself and gain from sources that I consider reliable.<br /><br />I'm sorry to hear that you are a muzlim. I never believe anything I hear from a known muzlim, not a thing. As far as I am concerned, you have entirely discredited yourself. I will not be responding to anything further that you post. We are finished.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post-68831082718473573922009-05-23T21:38:40.469+01:002009-05-23T21:38:40.469+01:00Dr D.
You said: "They are a religio-political mo...Dr D.<br /><br />You said: "They are a religio-political movement on a drive for global domination. Their goal is to take over the world, and every scrap of territory they every occupy they claim belongs to izlam forever."<br /><br />First Dr D. I am a Muslim. Second, go ask a 70yr old Berber woman tending goats in the Atlas Mountains or a 15yr olf boy milking his camal in northern Mali what their global strategy is for world domination! Goodnes, get a grip!<br /><br />I must assume that you have read to many very questionable websites for your resources and absolutely non in proper academic or theological studies. I find it rather tiring that this same garbage is touted over and over again, it really shows how the internet revolution only muddles things rather than improves knowledge.<br /><br />Let me set the issue correct. Islamic (ie Qur'anic) Principles say nothing about taking over the world, converting "heathens" or the like, I repeat there is NOTHING. References to fire and brimstone, the world kneeling to the power of God etc is just as common if not a little less than the Torrah and the Christian version in the Old Testiment, and like in the Qur'an they are parable after-life references. To condemn the Qur'an for that you must automatically condemn the Torrah and Bible for the same thing.<br /><br />What is happening here in regards to misinformation, propoganda and confusion in general is two facets.<br />1) Most Muslims live in the third world with lack of education, literacy, economic crisis and poverty.<br />2) Muslims take their faith more seriously than most in the west because secularism is less common.<br /><br />Those two factors explain it all, it means that the good are very good and those that are bad abuse the religiousness. In fact almost all actions and language in the Muslim world will use some form of religious mention in it. When I walk through a door I now have the habit of saying "bismillah". A small but relevant example.<br /><br />Thus and to make this short - Militants, radicals will claim whatever they believe necessary to get popularity for their cause so they go to the masses who are franklys peaking ignorants and claim rediculous religious justifications for their henious acts...Jihad - which most clerical leaders in the Muslim world reject, defence against a Christian Crusade etc, etc.<br /><br />The question here for you Dr. D, is that the millions of ignorant illerates can be forgiven for falling for radical bullshit, but what excuse is there for those in the west who produce jihadwatch and the gatesofvienna and fall (or I believe capitalize) for that propoganda? Which are you?Solkharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445656162108723757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post-23675840510745240262009-05-23T14:56:00.359+01:002009-05-23T14:56:00.359+01:00DHH, you said, "
Those that come from latin Americ...DHH, you said, "<br />Those that come from latin America and invade the US are not doing so because the culture says it can do so. Their culture is almost exclusively Catholic and like any culture they understand what theft, taking advangate of etc. The problem is pure economics ..."<br /><br />I think we need to put "Catholic" is quotes because it is not the same Catholic religion that is understood by, for example, most Irish-Americans. A person does not seek a solution to his problems that is outside his own cultural norms. If he truly believes that theft is not acceptable, he does not become a theif, etc. So the fact that there is an available target does not make a man a thief; it is what is in his heart, what come from his own (Latin) culture.<br /><br />Regardng the muzlims, you said, "<br />As for the Muslims, it is exactly the same thing but you have categorized a religion instead of a race. IT is still the same scenario, coming to make a better life or bring back money..." How completely mistaken! It is nothing of the sort. They are a religio-political movement on a drive for global domination. Their goal is to take over the world, and every scrap of territory they every occupy they claim belongs to izlam forever. Sure, they enjoy the "misery of living in the West" as they discribe it, with all the evils they attribute to it, but first and foremost they are about the expansion of izlam.<br /><br />You say that the Zero administration is not to blame because the border problems extend back many years. Well, yes and no. It is certainly true that the failure to enforce the border goes back many years, and goes back through many prior administrations. On the other hand, it is also the fault of this administration for continuing this policy and for having campaigned of a pledge to continue just that failed policy.<br /><br />We have not done well in the matter of international drug trafficking. We need to find a new policy that will take the profit out of this trade and make it far less attractive. The obvious one is to legalize drugs, but the American people are not quite ready to accept that policy, I think. I don't know what the answer is to this problem.<br /><br />Culture is more important than economics as a determinative force in how people act. Culture sets the guidelines, the rules, within which we live our lives. Economics may push in one direction or another at different times, but culture says how far we can go. Different cultures set different limits, and we see that when we are invaded by Latin American culture right now. We see that when the muzlims are greatly offended by so many things that are accepted in the West. These are matters of culture. Culture matters.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post-51061461924339606982009-05-23T13:14:25.422+01:002009-05-23T13:14:25.422+01:00Dr D.
I would disagree with you again that it is ...Dr D.<br /><br />I would disagree with you again that it is culture and again with Muslims which you are then suggesting is the religion.<br /><br />Those that come from latin America and invade the US are not doing so because the culture says it can do so. Their culture is almost exclusively Catholic and like any culture they understand what theft, taking advangate of etc.<br /><br />The problem is pure economics, looking for a better life and thus jumping the border to make it better or to bring money back home. Nothing sinister except of course the drug busines which is just as much the gringo's problem of being the clients happy to pay.<br /><br />As for the Muslims, it is exactly the same thing but you have categorized a religion instead of a race. IT is still the same scenario, coming to make a better life or bring back money but added that there is fundamentalism involved and that like the drug pushers, is a policing/immigration vetting problem that the authorities did not tackle seriously in the past.<br /><br />Lastly, it is not this administration that is to blame, the problem started in the early 1970's and all the administrations failed in various forms and this administration still has to prove itself on how it wll tackle it.Solkharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445656162108723757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post-90067081168282028602009-05-23T02:14:53.048+01:002009-05-23T02:14:53.048+01:00DHH, you speak of things as they ought to be, and ...DHH, you speak of things as they ought to be, and I don't think anyone will disagree with you about that on most points. The problem is, things are not functioning that way in reality.<br /><br />You say, "A real immigrant "choses" or "wants" to live in that country and thus must accept, ackwoledge, support and protect the ideals, practices and habits of that country. In fact they should become a citizen and defend that country as a person born there. This should be done by contract and if they cannot fulfill it or abuse that, they lose the right to be there and be deported."<br /><br />In point of fact, this is not at all what is happening with the mestizo invaders coming into the USA at the present time. They have no intention of supporting the USA. They are proudly citizens of their various Latin countries and have no desire to become US citizens. They violate US law freely, they sponge off the US welfare system and send their spare cash back to Latin America. They are an invading army, just not in uniform.<br /><br />You say that the problem is not with their culture, but I would say that it is. It is their culture that says that it is permissible for them to invade the US, steal from the US, evade US law, etc. all the while having a clear conscience according to their own cultural norms. That is a problem of culture. Similar but worse problems exist with the muzlims.<br /><br />You say that the host country should set the rules and then enforce them. I could not agree more. The problem is, in the US we have a government that has refused to do its sworn duty to defend the country. It refuses to defend our borders. Now that is a problem. The laws are there. The problem is the people charged with taking the action, and that is an "immigration problem" on our side of the issue.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post-38622128494354875402009-05-22T23:19:57.559+01:002009-05-22T23:19:57.559+01:00I may be in a complete minority but I see two issu...I may be in a complete minority but I see two issues that are interlinct here.<br /><br />The first is that I certainly believe that it is necessary to clearly ensure that immigrants are exactly that. A real immigrant "choses" or "wants" to live in that country and thus must accept, ackwoledge, support and protect the ideals, practices and habits of that country. In fact they should become a citizen and defend that country as a person born there. This should be done by contract and if they cannot fulfill it or abuse that, they lose the right to be there and be deported. Having said that, the country must ensure that their own beliefs and needs are catered for as long as it does not clash with that country. Others are only visitors or refugees whom are there temporarily, if they want to stay then go to phase 1.<br /><br />The issue is that this is not done.<br /><br />The second issue is Open Europe, and that makes it impossible to create nationality standards and unless there is one EU nationality and sovereignty, the first is almost impossible to do.<br /><br />The issues is not Muslims Mestizos, it has nothing to do with culture, religion but the host countries ensuring that the politics and rules are set before someone enters and that what is acceptable and what is not is clear. More than that, once that is clear, the country is then free and on a moral high-note to be strict on enforcement - they can say "we warned and told you so" and "you signed an undertaking that you have breached".Solkharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445656162108723757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8639708932164880269.post-42333197941979099682009-05-22T20:50:42.662+01:002009-05-22T20:50:42.662+01:00I had no idea that the Italians would be the ones ...I had no idea that the Italians would be the ones to show Europe the way, but someone has to do it. If Italy is the one, power to them! No other country seems to be able to see things very clearly at this point.<br /><br />Earl, you used the term, 'nation of immigrants' in the American tradition. I would suggest to you that a more accurate term would be to describe America traditionally as a nation of European immigrants. It is popular mythology that America has always been equal parts from all over the globe; this simply is not true. Until the very ill considered Immigration Act of 1965, the vast proportion of the US population had its origins in Europe which provided a degree of homogeneity, even if not the same as that found in Denmark or Ireland. It is only in the past 45 years that things have really gone to pieces in the US with large numbers of mestizos and muzlims coming in unchecked.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.com